Intro (00:01):
Welcome to Health Law Talk, presented by Chehardy Sherman Williams Health Law. Broken down through expert discussion, real client issues and real life experiences, breaking barriers to understanding complex healthcare issues is our job.

Conrad Meyer (00:24):
Good morning. Good afternoon, whatever time it is that you’re listening to this podcast. We have a special edition, or I guess, I guess a gift thankful edition for Thanksgiving from the host here at Chehardy Sherman Williams of the Health Law Talk podcast in the studio, my fellow co-host, George Mueller.

George Mueller (00:44):
Good morning

Conrad Meyer (00:45):
Roy Bellina. Morning

Rory Bellina (00:46):
Everyone.

Conrad Meyer (00:47):
And what a, what a great day. We thought we’d just come on and talk about giving thanks. What we’re thankful for, what we’re gonna do for Thanksgiving, and I think we have a special surprise in the, uh, in the studio today.

George Mueller (00:57):
I, it, it does look like it on, what I will say is kind of a, a fittingly sort of gray, mid fifties kind of pre Thanksgiving morning. Right? It, it’s that day when you’ve hopefully gotten up early and gotten most of your shopping done. So you’re not in the Wednesday frenzy. Uh, I know I got most of my shopping done this morning for, uh, groceries, what we’re gonna be cooking Thursday, and, uh, able to get in the office to get some work done, get a few things done, some things that have popped up in fact. So, uh, as it always

Conrad Meyer (01:29):
Is, always the case never ends. Right? Yeah. I mean, the road continues to go,

George Mueller (01:33):
But yeah, it, it does look like some of the, uh, Thanksgiving spirit has made it into the, uh, studio this morning,

Conrad Meyer (01:40):
I think and courtesy, courtesy of Bellina.

George Mueller (01:42):
That’s right. Rory Bellina. So, what Rory Bellina has brought in for us, as

Conrad Meyer (01:47):
You can hear, as you, as you demonstrate to grab the bottle, right. So

George Mueller (01:50):
Across the studio desk is a bottle of, it looks like Old Forester, Kentucky, straight Bourbon Whiskey 1897 bottled in Bond, which I understand is one of the four whiskey editions that Old Forester offers. Is that

Rory Bellina (02:06):
Correct? Right. Yeah. Yeah, that’s correct. We could do a whole topic episode, right. Whole episode on bottle and bond and the government regulations behind that. But yeah, I thought this would be a good, uh,

George Mueller (02:14):
That would be a fitting topic, although I don’t know if we want, I

Conrad Meyer (02:17):
Dunno if it be a health law thought…

Rory Bellina (02:18):
We don’t wanna get into that, our

George Mueller (02:19):
Viewership and listenership with, uh, non healthcare regulations, but Yeah. But yeah, this looks delicious. It’s got a nice color. It says it’s a hundred proof, so I guess it’s a little hotter Yeah. Than the 86 to 93 proof you typically see with most bourbons. Right. Um, and it’s got a lot of lineages, as you said. Of course, a lot of federal regulations as to what goes in a bottle and bond. I’ve read that a couple of times to try to understand it. I’m not gonna butcher it as to explain it to our viewership. They can go look at it or request that it be a topic to be covered in a subsequent episode.

Rory Bellina (02:48):
Right. Yeah. That would be a fun episode. Talk about all the different characterizations of, of bourbon. Bourbon’s a really hot thing right now that people are collecting and, and, and getting into the hobby of, and like you, you said, bald and bond cast strength, barrel strength, all that, all that good stuff, whatever all these terms mean. So

George Mueller (03:05):
The great thing about bourbon right now is of course, if you can use it in the sweet potatoes, you can use it everything. You can use it to calm your nerves while you’re cooking,

Conrad Meyer (03:14):
Your bread pudding. Right.

George Mueller (03:16):
The team’s not winning Thursday afternoon, uh, or whatever. Just celebrate with friends. Right,

Rory Bellina (03:21):
Right. Absolutely.

Conrad Meyer (03:22):
We’re doing

Rory Bellina (03:23):
That right now. Let’s open

George Mueller (03:24):
It up. And I think the only thing wrong with this bottle is it’s not

Rory Bellina (03:26):
Open. It’s not open. Open this up. And, uh, I guess while I’m doing that,

Conrad Meyer (03:30):
It’s sound effects of the bottles slashing across the table. There we go. And I think, look, it’s appropriate that we have this, I mean, we, all of us, everybody, even, you know, for the listeners on here who, everybody works really hard and it, and it’s really good sometimes to take a breath and That’s right. Give thanks especially and celebrate

George Mueller (03:48):
This week in moderation. Of course,

Conrad Meyer (03:50):
Of course. Absolutely. Oh, I heard, I heard the cork pop. Did you? I don’t know if I heard that, but smells good.

George Mueller (03:57):
Do we, we don’t have smell a vision yet.

Rory Bellina (03:59):
No, no, not yet.

George Mueller (04:01):
All of our TV chefs always reference that. Not yet. Sort of a comical joke that,

Rory Bellina (04:06):
Uh, cork smells really good,

George Mueller (04:07):
Does it now, but

Rory Bellina (04:08):
Yeah. Um,

Conrad Meyer (04:09):
So, so who’s doing the honors? Who’s pouring, who’s

George Mueller (04:11):
Doing the pour? You know, I just, incidentally, I looked at something last night. Apparently real bourbon files have one of these exotic looking, um, it looks like a language chart that you might see in the front of a dictionary or other book. It’s a bourbon taste wheel. And apparently it’s an extraordinary diversity of taste that you can find in bourbon. A lot of them Right. Are pretty obvious. They pop up even mm-hmm. , if you’re casual, you can drink ’em and smell, but they have some really, really, I mean, cinnamon and the toffy and the caramel and this and leather and just a lot of stuff similar to wine. Not dramatically different, but the spirit Sure. I guess hits your mouth different cause all the alcohol, but, uh, we don’t have a wheel in here. That’s the only thing

Rory Bellina (04:51):
We’ll have to add that put up on the monitor next time. Yeah.

George Mueller (04:54):
No, and I don’t, I don’t suggest to be file that’ll we pull it up. But, uh, this is good. I’m reminded of this because we have technical aspects and we have practical aspects and reminds us of what we kind of discuss with our

Conrad Meyer (05:08):
Clients all the’s time.

George Mueller (05:09):
There’s always a rigidity of technicalities behind what we do. Yeah. So it’s kind of fun. It’s

Conrad Meyer (05:14):
A little different. So Mueller, you Okay, good. He’s gonna do the of the poor. Yeah,

George Mueller (05:18):
That’s right.

Conrad Meyer (05:18):
Very good. Very good. So

Rory Bellina (05:20):
While he pours Conrad, what are you, what are you thankful for this year? Looking forward to next year? Go in both directions.

Conrad Meyer (05:27):
I guess. If, uh, if I’m gonna be introspective, I’m gonna, I’m gonna say I’m, I’m always thankful for the family. Yep. You know, I mean, I don’t think any one of us here isn’t thankful for that. And so I love the family. Um, this year was turned out to be a good year. I mean, turn out business wise was a good year. Uh, you know, I think, you know, knock on wood, you know, hopefully next year it’ll be a good year. So, uh, and then I’m thankful to have good friends. I mean, the three of us really have, you know, coalesced and had I think a good year. And especially on the podcast, it’s been a pleasure to come and, and do some shows with all of you, you know, so yeah. Very happy with that.

Rory Bellina (06:02):
Yeah. Those are all, all good points.

George Mueller (06:04):
So I’ll briefly interpose that we have three different vessels, only one of which apparently would be worthy of the actual bourbon, which is an American Craft Spirits Association. Um, Glen Carn. And then in the middle we have a Libby St. Regis 1950s issue. I like that small rock glass, which is square in

Conrad Meyer (06:23):
The bottom. No, I got some of those. You inspired me to get that on eBay.

George Mueller (06:26):
Great glasses. They feel good in the hand. They’re appropriately sized for a

Conrad Meyer (06:29):
Small copy. And what am I holding?

George Mueller (06:30):
You were holding something I brought back from actually when I studied abroad in Vienna. Mm-hmm. Austin.

Conrad Meyer (06:37):
Nice.

George Mueller (06:38):
It was given to me by the bar owner. Incidentally, it was not larder.

Conrad Meyer (06:41):
I learned something new about George every day. Very. This is

George Mueller (06:44):
Good. So this is spelled W I L D B A D Q U E l l E, which is ve bed ke I think. And it’s from, uh,

Conrad Meyer (06:52):
You got the

George Mueller (06:52):
Schwabe Hall.

Rory Bellina (06:54):
Wow. The

Conrad Meyer (06:54):
Pronunciation mineral

George Mueller (06:56):
Bruin site 1300. And

Rory Bellina (06:58):
Then

George Mueller (06:58):
That’s impressive. Says on the, and then it has a seal of the name they just

Rory Bellina (07:03):
Described. Thank you. That’s impressive.

George Mueller (07:04):
So you have, I have that exotic European glass. You have a circa 1950s kind of madman glass,

Conrad Meyer (07:11):
Glen,

Rory Bellina (07:13):
You And,

George Mueller (07:13):
Uh, so here we go,

Conrad Meyer (07:15):
Everyone to

Rory Bellina (07:15):
Thanksgiving.

George Mueller (07:17):
Thanksgiving,

Rory Bellina (07:18):
Cheers.

George Mueller (07:18):
And to health talk. Right? Here we go.

Conrad Meyer (07:24):
Ooh. Wow. That is really good.

Rory Bellina (07:27):
It’s a lot stronger than the 1910.

Conrad Meyer (07:31):
Well, it’s got a little better,

Rory Bellina (07:32):
But it’s, it’s got a, it’s got a lot more heat to it, like you said. I mean, I don’t, the 1910 I think is a 93

George Mueller (07:38):
Proof. It’s a 93.

Rory Bellina (07:40):
So you go up, what’s that? A hundred proof. So that’s what’s the rough back in the nap mouth on alcohol

George Mueller (07:45):
Content. It, it tastes a little more wood. The wood’s a little more

Rory Bellina (07:48):
Pronouncing. Would you agree? I find that when I drink the 1910, I could, I could, it’s probably not a good thing, but I could drink it a lot faster. This, I could see is a lot more of a sipping cold

George Mueller (07:59):
Weather. Now this is a measured sipping consumption.

Rory Bellina (08:01):
Definitely.

Conrad Meyer (08:02):
As I just finished my entire drink.

Rory Bellina (08:04):
That’s

George Mueller (08:05):
Awkward. You had the smallest pour. There

Conrad Meyer (08:06):
We go. At home. How’d I get the small pour? That was good. That was delicious.

Rory Bellina (08:10):
You’re right there. Definitely more, more heat. It’s amazing how they could do that with just smallness

George Mueller (08:15):
And imagine some of their single barrel offerings are coming in at one 16.

Conrad Meyer (08:19):
And by the way, just so everybody knows, we don’t get anything from Old Forester. We’re not, we don’t. This is just us sitting around drinking. So don’t, don’t thank anyone who’s listening that we get

George Mueller (08:28):
Simply, simply. But this is an uncompensated.

Conrad Meyer (08:30):
That’s a very good, it’s

Rory Bellina (08:31):
Not an ad. Right.

George Mueller (08:33):
At best we are amateur brand ambassador, but this is just really, right.

Rory Bellina (08:38):
So we heard from Conrad – George, what about you? What are you thankful for this year?

George Mueller (08:43):
Thankful for this year? I’m thankful that the, uh, good question. Covid stuff sort of lifting.

Conrad Meyer (08:47):
Yes,

Rory Bellina (08:48):
That’s what I was gonna say. Yes.

Conrad Meyer (08:49):
Yes.

George Mueller (08:50):
And why didn’t mean to steal your thunder, but we can both certainly be thankful for it. I can tell you that it’s nice to see people again agreed at, from a client standpoint. I think from a, uh, CLE standpoint, um, from kind of a school standpoint, I know we all have children Sure. Relatively the same age. And it’s really nice to see teachers and parents and for our kids and no

Conrad Meyer (09:12):
Mass

George Mueller (09:12):
To see their kids. Um, and other than a few folks doing their thing for whatever reason they’re doing it, then Yeah. I, no one’s wearing mask, so that’s nice. Um, so yeah, I’m thankful for that. I’m thankful for another year. And, um, man, that’s a lot going on in the world and all arrows are pointing up, so Sure,

Conrad Meyer (09:31):
Sure. Absolutely. Glad to be here.

George Mueller (09:32):
And I’m thankful that I got all my groceries done That’s right. This

Rory Bellina (09:35):
Morning. That’s right. So am

Conrad Meyer (09:37):
I. Amen

George Mueller (09:37):
To that. And the, the Miltons have already been boiled incidentally. Oh, that’s right. I boil those in chicken stock and a little bit of the scrm seasoning and a few other things. Just to add a little baseline of Brian flavor,

Conrad Meyer (09:49):
For those of you who don’t know, that’s the, uh, Mueller famous stuffed Merton Merlin’s on. I mean, that is just unreal.

George Mueller (09:56):
The shrimp come from inner coastal city and uh, it’ll be very exciting. We’re looking forward

Conrad Meyer (10:01):
To cooking this. That’s one thing we do well here in New Orleans, is that the food, I mean, we can’t, you can’t, you really can’t beat it, you know? Right. Well, let’s, let’s you know, so yeah. Did you make enough for us?

George Mueller (10:11):
You know, I’ve, so the answer is, uh, we purchased eight Miltons and so, I’m sorry, strike that. We have nine. I took the biggest one. I’m gonna bury it in the melatonin that I have growing it. Try

Conrad Meyer (10:23):
To get, do you bury the whole thing, but up?

George Mueller (10:25):
It’s kind of three quarters, but up you’re supposed to have a little bit exposed. They’re just Right. You’re supposed to go nose down, tail end up. And I understand that. And

Conrad Meyer (10:33):
You cut the nose off.

George Mueller (10:35):
I, I just read what the Louisiana LSU Agriculture School

Conrad Meyer (10:39):
Has some online

George Mueller (10:40):
And what my grandfather used to do, and he used to jam ’em in with a little bit of the butt sticking up. I’m a little late in the year, but I’m gonna do it anyway cuz it was a big melatonin. I like the jeans of it. Hopefully it’ll go. It’s good. The idea is you want those flowers built across pollinate a little bit, I think, and it helps fertilization to get fruit. Um, but no, we have eight of those that’ll split at 16.

Conrad Meyer (10:59):
Nice.

George Mueller (11:00):
And so that’s definitely one for everybody. And some people will double up and there’s a few leftover that’ll be cold the next day, which will be really good on Friday and Saturday.

Conrad Meyer (11:09):
He’s, he’s got a That’s going on, man. Yeah. Now Rory, back to you. You’re the last one. So what are you thankful for?

Rory Bellina (11:15):
Uh, like George said, I’m thankful that I think we’re knock on wood out of the, the Covid world, you know, for,

Conrad Meyer (11:21):
Can’t believe I missed that. It’s

Rory Bellina (11:22):
Good. Yeah. And we, we started this podcast, uh, I think we started it during Covid. Did we, did we, we were, we were doing this podcast during Covid.

Conrad Meyer (11:30):
So when I go do it a year and a half now, when I

Rory Bellina (11:32):
Go back and listen to other episodes or read the topic descriptions or like look at notes from when we prepared to it, we spent so much time and so much energy on that. And it was good. People needed to hear it. It was regulations flying out the, out the yes. Out of DC left and right. Um, but, but I’m glad we’re past that and we’re back to more like of our traditional practice. It was fun. We got to, you know, do some unique things and, and learn some unique things. But I’m glad that that’s over. You know, some of the regulations are staying, a lot of ’em are going back to how they were before. But I’m, I’m thankful that we’ve kind of, that that’s ended, I guess. Uh, and then like you said, thankful to, that’s been a really good busy work year. Uh, kids, family and kids have been healthy. So, um, you know, all that. Just generally thankful that it’s been, I think it’s been a, it’s been a good year. Uh, you know, we’re, we’re heading into, um, you know, politically it’s gonna be interesting what happens, I think next year when elections ramp up, I, I’m a huge political fan. I like to follow local and, uh, national elections and that affects our practice area. What we do,

George Mueller (12:38):
We really need to keep an eye

Conrad Meyer (12:39):
On it. Yeah. We

Rory Bellina (12:40):
Do. Just because, and so this is gonna be, you know, historically and well kind of, we’re kind of pivoting, but historically, the year before a an election is when you see a lot of these regulations that the current president or administration wants is when they start to push through. Cuz they’re hedging. If, you know, it’s gonna take time to get through Congress, if they have control of Congress, and if they’re gonna, if they’re not reelected, then they didn’t get to do something that they may be promised on the campaign trail. So if you look at kind of the history of, uh, presidencies, uh, this year before the end of their first term is when you start to see a lot of action. Mm-hmm. , they’re also campaigning for themselves. So they want to do things that they said that they were gonna do. So we have to see where that lands on the healthcare and, and transactional side. Um, you know, and we’ve got some interest. Supreme, quickly, briefly,

George Mueller (13:30):
People were talking about whether or not they were going to change the law regarding physician ownership of ASCs. Was that supposed to change or we’re talking I know

Conrad Meyer (13:41):
You mean hospitals or the ASCs?

George Mueller (13:43):
Uh, maybe it’s physician-owned hospitals. I know there was a moratorium

Conrad Meyer (13:48):
Hospitals. That’s what I heard. The hospital side.

George Mueller (13:50):
Right. And so, but hasn’t happened

Rory Bellina (13:53):
That moratorium has been in effect since affordable Care,

Conrad Meyer (13:56):
A long time. March, March 23rd, 2010.

George Mueller (13:59):
Yeah. But there were some, you know, some people were kind of poking their head up saying, well, we might, we might change that. Y’all would have any information

Conrad Meyer (14:05):
On that. I just, I heard the rumor. I heard the same thing. You did

George Mueller (14:08):
A wild unfounded rumor then.

Conrad Meyer (14:10):
Sure. No, no, no. I think there was an actual bill out the gate that got crushed or if there was some talk about it mm-hmm. , um, you know, but it’s gonna be, let me just say this. If, if, if, if the discussion continues, I mean, we’ll see if it has legs or not. You know, we’ll have to see. Right. I mean, it’ll, it’ll definitely cut down if that happens. It’ll cut down on the number of ASCs, that’s for sure. Sure.

Rory Bellina (14:34):
Because that’s only the, that’s the only game in town right now for physicians. Really.

Conrad Meyer (14:37):
It is. It is. Right.

George Mueller (14:39):
I thought that was a real interesting point, just talking about

Conrad Meyer (14:41):
Things. You could have a hospital sitting, I mean, I know we’re pivoting here, but, uh, you could have a hospital and then literally right next door on the plot of land next door to ’em, you have an asc. They’re like, why do they do that? Sure.

Rory Bellina (14:49):
They can own a piece of it. Of it. Right. So,

Conrad Meyer (14:52):
Interesting. Well, it’s gonna be an

Rory Bellina (14:53):
Interesting year. Yeah. And going forward, I, I know that the, I think the Supreme Courts announced the cases that they’re taken up. I I haven’t seen any that are specifically healthcare related. Um, I know there’s some affirmative action cases. There’s a few on the college admission scandal, uh, that kind of thing. You know, they just took care of dos, which was a big healthcare case for us. But I think looking forward to the next year, there’ll be some, uh, Supreme Court cases that will be interesting to watch. And, uh, like you said, what’s gonna become, now that we have a a split congress, what’s gonna be able to be accomplished?

Conrad Meyer (15:27):
Well, no one thing on the state level. We’re gonna have the, uh, Louisiana State Medical Society and all their personnel come on the show in January. Yeah. And they’re gonna give us sort of a pre-state law session of all the bills that are coming out right. In the, in the, in the 2023 session. And then they’re gonna come at the end of the session, you know, in August and give us a post-game wrap wrapup give us, which

George Mueller (15:51):
I think is good. Fully engrossed as

Conrad Meyer (15:53):
Approved. Yeah. Fully engrossed signed by the governor or, or what, what did or did not work.

Rory Bellina (15:57):
So, and we’ve also got planned some hospital administrators that are, are former. Oh, that’s really good. Yeah. That’s gonna be a good one because we, we want to give our listeners, we’ve heard feedback. We want to give our listeners more of a behind the scenes, behind the curtain of, you know, everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people know the rules and regulations and how things can be structured. But let’s talk about what really happens in a hospital setting. Let’s talk about how these reps are in the surgery center are in the, or let’s talk about how these doctors wouldn’t be paid, how they can and can’t be paid, and what’s happening in practicality. We, we like to talk about the regulations and, and what you can and can’t do, but we want to hear it from the hospital side of what’s really going on. Both of you, George and Conrad are married to physicians. So I’m sure you hear at night, you know, uh, what’s going on? And you’re like, oh, you shouldn’t be doing it that way. Or, I don’t know if that’s quite right. So, you know, that’s gonna be fun to hear from them

George Mueller (16:52):
As well. I think I, yeah, I think without any attribution of anything, uh, specific, you do get to hear, you get kind of an osmotic effect of at least a slice or a portion of that, and that that certainly is informative. Sure. Absolutely.

Conrad Meyer (17:07):
Sure. So we have a, we have a lot of, lot of good stuff coming up. Oh, absolutely. We have a good 2020 now. Now, here’s the funny thing. We’re gonna fly through the Christmas. I’m gonna

George Mueller (17:16):
Briefly, we eventually need to do a show. What’s that on kind of what’s going on with private equity and all the rollups

Conrad Meyer (17:24):
We’re doing? Oh, yes, absolutely.

George Mueller (17:25):
With both the internal medicine groups and the subspecialty groups. Uh, I think there was, I think a GI group just did like a three quarters of a billion dollar deal recently mm-hmm. That were talking about. The physicians actually raise the money to buy someone out the deal. It’s,

Rory Bellina (17:39):
I think that’d be a great topic. Have

George Mueller (17:40):
A note on it to discuss it. But yeah, that’s, I think that’s a topic that’s just

Conrad Meyer (17:44):
Right for discussing mean all of us should,

George Mueller (17:45):
And for all of our listeners who are part of a large group, you know, of a specialty group or whatever, um, that I think that’s really interesting. The economics of that and how that goes and how you navigate those things and

Rory Bellina (17:58):
How, yeah, how private equity is, is really starting to jump into a lot of these industries. And it seems to me that they’re scooping up these practice types that focus on the older population. You know, you see a lot of dermatology, radiology, pathology, like you said, gastro cardio I’ve seen recently. So I think private equity is seeing, okay, we’ve got an aging American population, this is where the money’s gonna be. So that’s something that we’re gonna

George Mueller (18:25):
See a 10 to 15 year spike in utilization and, and even maybe a shortage of providers. So yeah,

Rory Bellina (18:31):
That, let’s jump on it now that

George Mueller (18:33):
Says a lot of things for value, right. So, and I’m gonna say, I’m also thankful for my BB prime

Rory Bellina (18:39):
statement that is not an

Conrad Meyer (18:42):
Ad’s, not an ad

George Mueller (18:43):
On

Conrad Meyer (18:43):
That. He’s plug. We don’t get anything.

Rory Bellina (18:45):
We need to, we need to tag these, uh, old Forester and VU Prime in this podcast.

George Mueller (18:51):
Well, if you were gonna, if you were gonna have two things you wanted to be thankful for, I would say a good bottle of bourbon and a great 1500 degree steak broiler for your backyard kitchen. I think there are two things you definitely want.

Conrad Meyer (19:01):
Be thankful and literally we’re not compensated in any way, shape or form from BB Prime as well. No, no. But yes, I know what you’re talking about because you, you’re, you’re influence. It’s

George Mueller (19:10):
The holiday

Conrad Meyer (19:10):
Season made me buy one. Those

George Mueller (19:11):
Are fun things. Those are things that enhance your opportunity to be able to spend time with your family. It’s

Rory Bellina (19:17):
True,

George Mueller (19:17):
True, true. Your food, especially during what we’ll call the

Conrad Meyer (19:20):
Six

George Mueller (19:20):
Competitive football season, you’re talking about rivalry week, you’re talking about

Conrad Meyer (19:23):
Whole season. Yes. Oh,

George Mueller (19:24):
Yes. Et cetera. Those are times when staying home and having good food with your family.

Conrad Meyer (19:28):
Yes. That’s very true’s. Very true. All true.

Rory Bellina (19:31):
So yeah, I’m thankful,

George Mueller (19:32):
Whole point of gratitude.

Rory Bellina (19:33):
It’s been a great 2022. We’ll have some more episodes, uh, this year before we wrap up at the end of the year. But, um, overall, it’s been a great year. It’s been a great time doing these podcasts with y’all. Absolutely.

Conrad Meyer (19:44):
So Roy, you wanna bring us home or you wanted me to bring you home? Nope, I do. It. Did the, okay, here we go.

George Mueller (19:49):
Sign off. Sign

Conrad Meyer (19:50):
Up. Well, gentlemen, again, it’s been a fun, uh, it’s been a fun year and I know I can say from from the bottom of my heart that I’m looking forward to 2023. It’s gonna be a great year. And we have a lot of good stuff coming up now for our listeners out there. We’re gonna wrap it up today. This is just a little thankfulness. And one thing that I think we forgot to mention is we are very thankful for you, the listener who, who takes their time to listen to our podcasts, who sends us an email, let us knows what we know, what they want to hear. Uh, so thank you. Without you, this doesn’t exist. So, uh, again, thank you. Listeners, stay on target. Listen to our podcast, give us that five star rating. Subscribe to us and look forward to another episode of Health Law Talk. Enjoy.

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